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Linux Outlaws

Hosts: Fabian A. Scherschel and Dan Lynch

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On Linux Outlaws we talk about anything that runs on Linux, about open source software on other platforms and many other things. Listening to the show is very much like listening to two friends sitting in a pub, having fun and talking about things they find interesting. We aim to give you a fair overview over the Linux and open source news of the week, but we do not claim to be comprehensive or even up to date. The podcast also covers politics and random things like hockey, ice cream delivery vans in Liverpool and random bands you probably never heard of. This podcast contains swearing and we may insult people. Not recommended for the faint of heart or the ignorant.

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  1. Lars Pettersen #
    June 11, 2012

    Hi Dan & Fab,

    I also tried upgrading my Linux Mint Box as I did not want to reinstall the new release but it failed miserably.
    It came up with a kernel panic.
    So I took a look at distrowatch whats new and shiny and there ZevenOS “Neptune” Edition grabbed my eyes. It is debian wheezy based with my favorite desktop environment KDE and comes with a beautiful looking theme. To my suprise it comes with almost everything I would normally reinstall on other distros, just like vlc, chromium, kdenlive or flashplayer. So I only needed to download gpodder to subscribe to your feed again. (I don’t like the amarok podcatcher thing)
    It really is a nice little distro and as it tends to be a rolling release so I will get new software packages constantly, just like KDE 4.8.4 that rolled in moments after the official announcement.

    So I think this is definitely a distro to take a look at. And btw. Fab their developers are located in germany :P
    You can find the release here: zevenos.com

  2. June 12, 2012

    Hi,

    I was wondering if there is a link on sixgun.org to the music that I played for you somewhere (and other music)? Maybe a credit at the end of the show notes or something?

    Also, I tried to make it to oggcamp this year, but I don’t have the resources… Damn!

    Great show as usual!

  3. June 12, 2012

    I love the random Ice cream Man. I’m thinking that they know when you are recording ;)

  4. fabsh #
    June 13, 2012

    Rick: Sorry, no section for the music yet. I’m still working on the site with a ton of things to do and very little time to do it in…

  5. June 19, 2012

    No problem at all,

    I would rather you keep up on the news and important stuff anyway. I need to find time to do another version now that I am getting better at working with Ardour. You guys are really doing Internet radio shows right!! Keep it up D-D-D-D-Dan and the German ;)

    Rick

  6. fabsh #
    June 19, 2012

    Thanks! :)

  7. Beeza #
    August 20, 2012

    Hi Guys

    Thanks for another great Oggcamp. As always it was entertaining as well as informative.

    John Moore’s is a great venue. It sets a very high standard that you’ll struggle to beat anywhere else. Given that hundreds of people came along, Liverpool is clearly not a problem as a location. Why not just have Oggcamp there every year?

    Unfortunately I could only attend on the Saturday. The one downside of the day is that I got so engrossed with the talks I forgot to go and top up the meter where I’d parked my car, so I ended the day with a fucking £25 parking fine. Still think it was worth it, though.

    Beeza

  8. fabsh #
    August 21, 2012

    I think Dan is pushing very strongly to have OggCamp there again. He certainly has my blessing.

  9. TBallS #
    October 23, 2012

    What´s Amazon??

    I live in Australia, We don’t have Amazon so no Amazon lens searches. ;)

  10. Freddie #
    October 30, 2012

    Hi guys,

    Been using Linux (various flavours of Mint, fedora, and others) for about 5/6 years now, and only just started listening to podcasts. This jumped out as one of the best, and I listen avidly (although sometimes a week or two behind the times).

    Keep up the good work guys, your commentary is informative, entertaining and diverese.

    Freddie

    PS… how does one go about joining your forum? I have been unable to discover anything on the site, and the register button advises that no new members are being accepted. :(

  11. fabsh #
    October 30, 2012

    To register for the forum, please email us at the address given out each show. ;)

  12. Eric #
    November 2, 2012

    Hey Dan and Fab
    Just wanted to say love your podcast (oggcast). You guys have an awesome show. Thanks to you guys I have completely delved back into Linux. Been a few years for me. Anyways my Linux box is a Power Mac G3 (Blue and White). I managed to get Ubuntu 12.04 on the machine with Unity all running slow as hell but it runs. Just wondering if maybe you guys could cover some of the PowerPC Linux distro’s like MintPPC (Awesome Lightweight Distro). Anyways had a quick question i am a huge fan of the original XMMS (not XMMS2). So i found the .rpm off of Google and managed to get it to install on Ubuntu thanks to Alien got all dependencies installed but it fails to load everytime. OS is Ubuntu 8.04 and Architecture is PowerPC G3 (750) to be exact. Your show is amazing thanks.

  13. November 22, 2012

    Why is oggcamp called oggCAMP? That hackers camp they have in the netherlands is a camp – its in a field, with tent and stuff. Oggcamp should be more like that – a long weekend, tents and campervans, a wireless network that links to the internet. Music and drugs would be good too (just joking about the drugs, cos drugs are bad, m’kay? I have *never* enjoyed taking drugs, it’s awful, I dunno why ppl do them… ;)

    Anyway, a CAMP. OGGCAMP. Or I’ll set up a MP3CAMP in competition and you’ll lose!!! :p

  14. fabsh #
    November 22, 2012

    There’s too much nature involved in camping, I think…. Also, this is the UK. It’s cold and rainy here. All the time.

  15. Frank #
    November 23, 2012

    Fab
    Stop talking politics and stay focused on open source and the likes, tired of hearing about it!. Your knowledge about American politics is about what my knowledge is about neuropathy and finding a cure. America is coming apart at the seems with our liberal, self proclaimed socialist/communist tax and spent president. Only thing up in America is unemployment, taxes, debt, crime, protests, and the narrowing American dream. Stay focused

  16. fabsh #
    November 23, 2012

    I will NOT stop talking about politics. I have said that countless times on the show. Especially. if told by a moron who doesn’t even know what the term “communism” means. Why do you think I studied Politics? Because I fucking find the topic interesting and because it is IMPORTANT. If you don’t want to hear about these things, stop fucking listening to the show. NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO!

  17. jack daniel #
    November 28, 2012

    Thank you for the wonderful podcast, linuxoutlaws, that I enjoy listening to each week.

    I look forward to learning new commands and being exposed to new technology that is always included in your podcasts.

    Is it possible to lower the bit-rate of the podcast to a reasonable rate(30-40kbps) that would allow folks with low bandwidth internet connections to download and listen to them more comfortably?

    Would you think about doing a podcast on linux security, firewalls; running as “root”(as in puppy)and why or why not?

    Anyway, thanks for reading these words with consideration.

    Regards, jack

  18. fabsh #
    November 28, 2012

    We have been doing the podcast as a 64kbit/s mono MP3 and Ogg Vorbis equivalent (q=0.2) since the beginning. I actually think that is a very reasonable size and we basically haven’t gotten enough people requesting a lower bandwith version that it would justify the additional work required.

  19. Beeza #
    January 14, 2013

    I enjoyed Fab’s rant about Canonical’s plans for Ubuntu. I always enjoy it when he goes off on one, but this time I largely agreed with him as well.

    I’ve got to say I really don’t see why Canonical, Apple or Microsoft are so fixated on developing a single user interface that can be used on all devices. A phone is not a tablet and a tablet is not a laptop.

    Surely the important thing is to have the same data and functionality. You don’t have the same controls on a portable audio player as you have on your home stereo, although they fundamentally do the same job. Why should different standards apply to “information devices”?

    Regards

    Beeza

    PS I just saw somebody looking disturbingly like Jono Bacon on the Jeremy Kyle show. Worrying!

  20. fabsh #
    January 14, 2013

    I don’t think Apple is going for this at all. iOS looks very different from OS X on purpose.

    Anyway, nice to see someone actually enjoys this stuff. :)

  21. svend #
    January 14, 2013

    Fab, your rant about Shuttleworth’s Ubuntu phone video really had me in stitches! It was like a tech version of Mystery Science Theater 3000.

    BTW, absolutely do ignore know-nothing cranks like Frank (the guy who lectured about your alleged ignorance of American politics). When people dumb and/or ignorant enough to treat it as self-evident that a leader who has been centrist-to-conservative on economic policy (e.g., Obamacare was inspired by the rightwing freemarket Heritage Foundation); who’s supporting efforts to privatize the educational system; who is supporting a huge new NAFTA-style so-called free trade zone that will destroy thousands of American jobs; who handed control of the economy to bankers and Wall Street tycoons (even AFTER they nearly destroyed the economy) is a Communist (and note how your erudite critic doesn’t even understand the meaning of “self-proclaimed”) it probably means you’re doing something right.

    And there are many reasonable people in in the US who agree with you about gun control. The problem is that our political system is just so paralyzed by ideologically extreme special interest groups that our political system has yet to reflect that demographic reality fully.

  22. fabsh #
    January 14, 2013

    Must be because I watch so much MST3K lately. All down to my boss at The H.

    And yes, I know there are a lot of reasonable Yanks out there. I know quite a few personally. I just get hung up on the negative examples. I’m truly sorry for that…

  23. klapse #
    January 18, 2013

    Re: Aaron Schwarz – Again Fab has a strong opinion on a subject he hasn’t considered deeply.

    For-Profit Scientific journals are not entirely a “scam”. They fulfil important functions – functions that cost money, even in this digital age. The most important function is to filter-out bad science – and there is a lot of bad science being done. This costs some money.

    The main way that filtering is done is peer review. This needs an authority (the publication) to mediate and select reviewers.

    The problem with opening-up this process to allow anyone to submit articles means your publishing venue is no longer authoritative.

    Even more problematic is a journal that accepts publications from researchers based on payments by those researchers – this setup runs the danger of becoming little more than an advertising venue.

    There are problems with the status quo of scientific journal publication, but eliminating them is not a solution and neither is pirating their content.

    I expected a little more understanding of these issues from a journalist like Fab.

  24. fabsh #
    January 20, 2013

    What tells you I haven’t considered it deeply? So how much time have you spent at university, my friend?

  25. matt #
    February 4, 2013

    America- 5000 gun deaths

    Mexico- 55000 gun deaths ( guns illegal)

    Make them illegal

    Good logic…..criminals have them……

    good..

    dumgasses

    shutup

  26. matt #
    February 4, 2013

    Liberals have no logic. Just feel good bs.

  27. fabsh #
    February 4, 2013

    So you are comparing your government to the Mexican one now? Being the “cradle of democracy” and all? Really? That’s what it boils down to?

  28. fabsh #
    February 4, 2013

    Liberals as in what? A specific party or someone who likes human rights to actually have some weight? Do you actually know what the word means?

  29. February 6, 2013

    Re: file size/bit-rate of each episode (up there in the comments somewhere)…

    Using Bitlove (like No Agenda & MintCast) may be an option – torrents are still great for people with uncertain interwebs…

    seems low-hassle as well – they just download the files from your normal feed & torrent them.

  30. fabsh #
    February 6, 2013

    Torrents don’t inherently solve the connectivity-loss issue any better than a decent client that uses HTML downloads. Just use something like gPodder in that case. I don’t see how that is worth the hassle of me serving a second distribution method and giving up what precious little statistics we have on listeners anyway.

  31. Pork Chops #
    March 20, 2013

    Since Fab is currently playing Tomb Raider, you should check out this “Clueless Gamer” (Conan O’Brien) episode:

    http://teamcoco.com/video/clueless-gamer-conan-obrien-reviews-tomb-raider

  32. Mike Olson #
    March 31, 2013

    If you would refrain from dropping the F-BOMB in every sentance I would listen more. Thanks Fab!

  33. fabsh #
    April 1, 2013

    Sorry, not gonna happen. To be fair, we pointed this out constantly since the show began almost six years ago…

  34. Steve Smith #
    April 9, 2013

    Sorry guys, I loved the podcast, but I had to drop it, I didn’t agree with your politics regarding guns. I listen to several political podcasts, but this isn’t why I used to listen to L.O. Sorry.

  35. fabsh #
    April 10, 2013

    No need to apologise. Listening to our show is not required, after all. You should listen because you want to. And if you can’t stand to hear differing opinions (including political matters, because politics is important) then you probably shouldn’t be listening to the show anyway.

  36. Graeme Holmes #
    April 17, 2013

    Long time listener to your L.O. podcasts from the other side of the planet (New Zealand), and I can’t help noticing that Brian Blessed regularly rates a mention.
    His booming voice and larger than life personality is currently filling our TV screens in the form of a new advertising campaign for a local bank. Its fun for the first few viewings, but….
    Attached for your entertainment anyway.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL1Dbo6Tp8c

  37. fabsh #
    April 17, 2013

    I love that man. He’s actually a pretty good thespian and all around cool dude, as far as I can tell.

    :)

  38. Beeza #
    May 8, 2013

    Dan’s comments in episode 309 about there being enough Linux media players struck a real chord with me. Over the years I’ve tried every player that I can find. A few simply don’t work, and others are so unintuitive that I soon give up trying to figure out how to populate libraries, etc,

    The problem with the majority is that they try to be too clever – to provide too much functionality and integration with external devices and services. For audio, I keep coming back to Decibel It does nothing but play a list of tracks dragged from the library. Could not be simpler. Rock solid and a nice clean UI too.

    For video VLC is the master. It’s powerful enough to satisfy the enthusiast but anybody could work out how to play a one-off file or DVD. I will continue to look at new players as they appear but it’s going to take a lot to convert me now.

  39. June 6, 2013

    Fab, Mark Knopfler is a guitar god. He was here in Buffalo, NY a while ago and I can only hope and pray he comes back here again. If you have any connections with him, please tell him to come back.

  40. fabsh #
    June 6, 2013

    I wish I had. The only connection I have to him is his music and seeing him a few times in concert myself.

  41. August 1, 2013

    Liked your coverage of the linux kernal “let’s all behave like grownups” bruhaha in LO 316, but I think everyone’s missed the corporate angle of the original compaint. I think the essence of the original complaint is whether corporations can claim Linux as “their” project now (since they are reportedly funding the majority of the development), and change the project management style to a homogonized non-antagonistic non-confrontational corporate-style. Or is it still just Linus’s project, and the corporations are the leaches? WHIW, I think Linus has the right style for this project, and until the corporations think it through and a leader emerges that can succeed with a different project management style, they should probably keep quite and enjoy it.

  42. Rowan Lewis #
    October 29, 2013

    Hi guys,

    Would you consider adding an Opus version of the podcast? It’s a relatively new codec, but it’s completely open source, an IETF standard, however it’s just about ideal for podcasting.

    You should be able to reduce the podcast size by a sizable chunk.

    I managed to annoy the Linux Lifestyle/Tux Radar guys into supporting it :)

    Cheers,
    Rowan.

  43. fabsh #
    November 4, 2013

    Re: Opus version

    I’m pretty busy as it is producing the show (as you can probably tell from the delay between recording an episode and releasing it). As it is, I don’t see an Opus version on the horizon. Like Speex, which we have been asked about before, I don’t see the benefit outweighing the hassle. I don’t think we necessarily need to reduce the episode sizes, they have worked well for over six years as they are. And like Speex, Opus is supported by almost no mobile device natively (or desktop browser for that matter). I think MP3 and Ogg Vorbis has pretty much any device you could name covered. Going through all the hassle of creating a third RSS feed, trying to find (or write!) a WordPress podcasting plugin that supports Opus and then changing it all over and from now on export three versions of each episode… I could do that if I did this whole thing full time. Right now, I think my resources are better spent elsewhere (like finishing the migration of the show’s back catalogue).

  44. tim lovejoy #
    November 4, 2013

    Cant remember which of the last episodes you guys were talking about the song Gin & Juice during a GTA chat (what part of “No spoilers dont you understand?”.

    Might I suggest you take a listen on Youtube to The Gourds cover of this song. Simply fantastic playing and energy, it simply is head above the limp, droning, lifeless original version.
    The musicianship and arrangement and changes of rhythms are top class.

    Never heard of the band before this video and while they are very good live from I saw afterwards, I suggest the following link for a homemade video that is very well done and which really ties in the song beautifully.
    I dont think its the original creator since this song was up when i discovered a while back and it had a buttload (or two) of hits but I remember that the author wrote that he was getting hassled and would probably have to take it down.
    Im not sure if the link is from the original video creator but Im happy he uploaded it, its that good a clip:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4o4fttyqcM or
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAfcP79DcCE

  45. Rowan Lewis #
    November 4, 2013

    Fair enough, I’m just looking for people to advocate the new format, it’s entirely up to you.

    If you want to hear more about why Opus, then let me know, I’d be happy to talk about it ;)

  46. fabsh #
    November 4, 2013

    I like Opus. It looks like a great format. We talked about it on the show when it came out. But we produce a podcast, we’re not a codec advocacy organisation. ;)

  47. Rowan Lewis #
    November 8, 2013

    Hey Fab,

    You mentioned that podcast things take up too much time, so I’ve got a suggestion that might help.

    There’s a free service called Auphonic, basically it’s a post processing service for podcasts, it integrated with a lot of services, including WordPress.

    http://wordpress.org/plugins/auphonic-importer/
    https://auphonic.com/

    Maybe that’ll make life easier :)

  48. Rowan Lewis #
    November 8, 2013

    Actually, scratch that, here’s a better WordPress plugin:

    http://wordpress.org/plugins/podlove-podcasting-plugin-for-wordpress/

    The other one doesn’t do Vorbis, this one does. And Opus. Yes, I’m pretty single minded.

  49. fabsh #
    November 8, 2013

    The transcoding is not what takes the time. I also need to get hosting space, upload it etc. It’s not gonna happen. There’s no reason to have an Opus feed. We have two formats that work on every device under the sun. One episode is around 50MB, which in the age of HD streaming video is fuck all… No. There’s no discussion here. Dan and me have decided. It’s not worth it ATM.

  50. Rowan Lewis #
    November 9, 2013

    Ah, sorry, shouldn’t have brought Opus up again, because it wasn’t the point. Auphonic was.

  51. Neil Connolly #
    March 3, 2014

    I was commenting on the hangout page….

    Where is the best place to comment on the show?
    Email?

  52. fabsh #
    March 4, 2014

    http://saloon.sixgun.org

  53. Elisha #
    March 27, 2014

    Hi Dan & Fab, i’m writing because i remember an episode where you discussed distraction-free writing, but i can’t remember which one that was. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. By the way i’m a fan of the show!

  54. fabsh #
    March 27, 2014

    I would suggest asking in the Saloon: http://saloon.sixgun.org

    Off the top of my head, I have no idea. We did too many episodes for that.

  55. Greg #
    April 23, 2014

    I listened to this podcast for the first and last time based on a recommendation from a “friend” and technically the two hosts got about 90% of what they are talking about correct. However I have no idea how old the hosts are, but you sound like kids in high school trying to sound cool. It’s as if you both have a quota for the amount of times you can use foul language. Grow up, double-check your content and you might get more subscribers. You should have listened to the real men at PaulDotCom prior to talking about Heartbleed because you didn’t quite get it right. And calling someone a f&^%ing moron when your facts are wrong as you did in episode 342 is just pathetic and sad.

  56. fabsh #
    April 26, 2014

    Yeah, because after seven years of doing this we do care so much about listener numbers that we’ll listen to an insulting prick who doesn’t even have the balls to use actual swear words yet still feels the need to swear. Who’s pathetic here, asshole? As for my description of Heartbleed, would you care to elaborate why it is wrong? As writing about security is what I earn my money with, I do actually care about that. I suspect you’re just spouting bullshit with your little “didn’t quite get it right” ditty. Otherwise you would’ve actually provided some details to be helpful or at least back up your insults. Seriously, why do people feel the need to comment that they aren’t listening to the show anymore? That’s your right. Go do that if it makes you happy. But why do you think we give a crap? Newsflash: You aren’t important enough for us to care.

  57. Yannis #
    June 12, 2014

    Wow! Elite: Dangerous looks absolutely amazing. I should have contributed to that Kickstarter campaign. >.>

    http://www.gamespot.com/videos/e3-2014-elite-dangerous-developer-demo/2300-6419611/

    After watching that (as long as it’s not a bunch of lies like the X: Rebirth demo was), I have to get this game. He makes it sound like it will be the first Hard Science Fiction space sim, and that sounds absolutely amazing.

    Will you give out your game credentials (e.g. Steam account name)? I’d love to play with you once I get it ^^ (or some other game). Actually, a Sixgun game group sounds great.

  58. fabsh #
    June 13, 2014

    My Steam name is really straightforward. I use that nickname everywhere.

  59. Charles #
    June 21, 2014

    Hi guys, First of all,I’m not a great one for social media so expect to see me on any of them. Now that I have explained why I don’t follow you; I think Linux Outlaws is great. I never miss it.

    Just thought you might enjoy this group.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/Metalachi

    Charles

  60. Jan Goyvaerts #
    July 16, 2014

    Goat Simulator is available for Linux ! :-)

  61. Torin Doyle #
    July 16, 2014

    Hi Dan & Fab.

    I enjoy the show.

    What distro do you both use on your home computers?

    BTW, I hope Fab sees the error of his ways and stops being a climate change denier.

    Cheers.

  62. fabsh #
    July 19, 2014

    Yeah. I know: http://fabsh.com/goat-simulator-linux/

  63. fabsh #
    July 19, 2014

    I hope you come around to understanding that labelling people you don’t agree with “deniers” is a very religious mindset that has nothing to do with science. If you want to seriously discuss any of these topics, I’d recommend going over here: http://saloon.sixgun.org

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